The history you have just built assumes a patient who came to talk about sex. Many arrive for something else, and the clinician opens the subject.
Andrew is 45. He had a nerve-sparing radical prostatectomy 12 months ago for a small tumour, so his chances of recovering sexual function are good without being assured.
He is sitting with a nurse counsellor who is going through a routine distress screening tool with him. He has marked himself a 4 for depression and nothing else.
Watch what she does with that score.
Andrew and the nurse counsellor
0:01So Andrew, nice to see you. Um, I see that you filled out your screening tool today. Mm-hmm. And there may be a few things that you want
0:08to talk about today, but I did wanna spend a little bit of time talking about this. Yeah. So could we start there? Yeah, sure. Okay.
0:14So I, I didn't see anything that you checked off except really you checked off a four on the depressed scale.
0:20Yeah. Can you tell me a little bit about what's going on? I, um, I, I dunno, it, it's kind of hard in, in some ways
0:28to be, you know, so that's really specific or, or clear about it. But, um, like, I mean, when I, you know, when I was going
0:38through that, the thing that I, I kept thinking about was how these days, you know, I, I seem to just be all
0:44preoccupied about the, the issue that's been going on. And, you know, I just, things like concentration and getting into, you know, I, I can't concentrate on things
0:53that I used to really like, um, for one thing and the other is like, I don't enjoy anything anymore.
1:00You know, I just don't have fun, um, things that ordinarily would've made me smile or laugh. I, you know, I might, but that,
1:08that's about as far as it goes. And I, I just feel flat, um, okay. All the time. You know, I'm not, not crying and you know, all of that.
1:16But, um, I know just, you know, it's just, I, I feel like I'm just bubbling along and, and nothing
1:22Okay. Feels good anymore. Do you, do you actually think you are depressed? Like, do you think of that as a Um,
1:28Well, I suppose, I mean, I've read a little bit about it. I, yeah. Like there are some things that I don't have.
1:34Like, you know, I sleep fine. I probably sleep too much and maybe that's a, a sign but I don't, um, you know,
1:43my appetite's good. Um, okay. So what, what else is going on for you right now, um, in your life,
1:51Aside from the, The, the depressed Symptoms, the other problems that I've, Well, tell me a little bit about the other problems.
1:57Um, so I'm, well, I'm recovering from, um, prostate cancer. Right? Um, it's about a year ago that you had your
2:04Surgery, right? Yeah, that's right. Um, and so, and So how, how's that been for you, the, the recovery in that period of time?
2:14It's been, um, I don't know, kind of a mixed journey in some ways. You know, I mean, you know, being a year on the other side,
2:22it feels hopeful, you know, that, um, good. You know, certainly that's, you know, it seems to have gone away.
2:32Mm-hmm. Um, but, you know, it's, I guess it's left me with some physical issues. Mm-hmm. Um, the, I mean, well, basically I'm just, you know,
2:42I, I can't get an erection. Okay. Um, And is, is that something that's been really troubling for you? Y yeah. Okay.
2:50Um, it's been, well troubling for me, troubling for my partner. Um, How, how has it been affecting you and,
2:58and your relationship? Oh, where to start? Well, it's, I mean, the first thing we, we, we haven't had sex, um, a couple
3:08of failed attempts in the early, um Okay. Early days. Um, All right. And so from there it's just, I mean, basically everything I think has gone
3:20downhill in that, in that way. And, and the relationship is just, I think, a breaking point. Oh, really? Um, yeah. Okay. Um, which is really hard.
3:30Um, and I, you know, I don't dunno how to, to find my way out of it now. So What have you been trying to manage all of this?
3:41This sounds like a lot, uh, Avoidance, I guess. Okay. Um, you know, it's, it's, we, you know, we tried, um, and things just didn't work.
3:55Okay. Um, and I think I, I've reached a point where I reached a point a while ago where just
4:03to try was getting to be, you know, hu humiliating and embarrassing and mm-hmm. Um, Do, do you think there's any connection
4:13between what's happening for you sexually and in your relationship and your mood? Yeah, IW I'd have to say, yeah.
4:23I mean, it would be a strange for it not to be related in some way, you know? I mean, I can't, I can't think it through. Yeah.
4:31Um, but I don't, you know, I don't remember feeling this bad before the diagnosis. Um, and I know I certainly enjoyed things more
4:39before that. Um, yeah. Well, it sounds like it's been really difficult. Mm-hmm. It sounds really difficult for you. Oh, it's been difficult for both of us.
4:48I think it's, but it's been one of those situations where I, you know, I can't talk about it. It's, you know, how do you bring something like
4:55that up, um, With your partner? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I think for him it's, you know, it, it sort of affects
5:03how he feels about me and the relationship and, and himself too. And so, okay. I dunno where we can go from here.
5:12Okay. And so, um, it also sounds like you're not talking to anyone else about it. There isn't any health professional that you've talked to
5:21or found any help with this from mm-hmm. Anyone else in our system at, at this point? No. Um, Andrew, is that something that you would like,
5:29I mean, would you, would it be helpful to, um, see someone to talk about some of the sexual issues,
5:34your relationship issues, um, maybe have a little more assessment around your mood to see if there's anything needs to be done there?
5:42Yeah, I think, um, you know, if you'd asked me that question a couple of months ago, I probably would've maybe said no. You know?
5:50Yeah. Yeah. But it's got, I think I'm at a point now where I Okay. You know, I don't want it to go on and I,
5:55and I want things to get better and I, and I can't find my way Okay. Out of it. Yeah. So, sure. I'd, I'd, I'd give it a go
6:02Anyway. Okay. Yeah, so we do have a team with our program of, uh, various kinds of counselors. Mm-hmm. Um, and I can make a, a referral to,
She asks what sits underneath the score. The screening form only needed the number. What comes out is that the surgery and the erectile difficulty have done serious damage to his relationship with Jeff, who he has lived with for eight years. By the end of the conversation Andrew has agreed to a referral for proper assessment.